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	<title>Comments on: Inspiring action on shit (getting rid of it) &#8211; guest post from Robert Chambers</title>
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		<title>By: Liz Chatterjee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz Chatterjee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just written a reply piece to Robert Chambers on this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jun/09/dirty-truth-behind-community-sanitation

Improved sanitation is an unqualified good (if, as Mtega points out, it really is &#039;improved&#039;), but I don&#039;t think we should pretend that CLTS is some participatory revolution - it&#039;s neither brand new nor necessarily all that democratic. 

As a friend bluntly puts it, &quot;If the intended outcome [of CLTS] is shitting indoors then great, but let&#039;s not pretend it&#039;s teaching anything else around participation, empowerment, democracy and equality.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just written a reply piece to Robert Chambers on this: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jun/09/dirty-truth-behind-community-sanitation" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2011/jun/09/dirty-truth-behind-community-sanitation</a></p>
<p>Improved sanitation is an unqualified good (if, as Mtega points out, it really is &#8216;improved&#8217;), but I don&#8217;t think we should pretend that CLTS is some participatory revolution &#8211; it&#8217;s neither brand new nor necessarily all that democratic. </p>
<p>As a friend bluntly puts it, &#8220;If the intended outcome [of CLTS] is shitting indoors then great, but let&#8217;s not pretend it&#8217;s teaching anything else around participation, empowerment, democracy and equality.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sue Batstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue Batstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that Oxfam have been working with SOIL in Haiti.  I sincerely hope that waste can be viewed in the future as livestock farmers view it - as valuable manure. Save purchase of fertilisers, improve soil condition, safeguard health and give dignity and employment opportunities, while allowing the combination of other organic wastes and natural processes to sanitise it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that Oxfam have been working with SOIL in Haiti.  I sincerely hope that waste can be viewed in the future as livestock farmers view it &#8211; as valuable manure. Save purchase of fertilisers, improve soil condition, safeguard health and give dignity and employment opportunities, while allowing the combination of other organic wastes and natural processes to sanitise it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Crockford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Crockford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 06:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hallo,we are a company that specialises in low technology  water and waste water solutions.The small scale villiage approach using(hopefully)locally sourced materials and people is perfect for us to help with.If we try to bring first world to third world too quickly the result will be failure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hallo,we are a company that specialises in low technology  water and waste water solutions.The small scale villiage approach using(hopefully)locally sourced materials and people is perfect for us to help with.If we try to bring first world to third world too quickly the result will be failure.</p>
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		<title>By: MJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 07:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s great to hear of new bottom up approaches like this. I have a question about roll out which links to Mtega&#039;s point about the CLTS process building on feelings of shame. I can see how this kind of approach could work at a pilot level with well-trained *sensitive* facilitators. But what about when it is scaled up? How do communities react when a local govt health official comes along and shames them all? From my experience I can see how the whole approach might suffer from institutionalization - and the different relationship people tend to have with officialdom - but seek enlightenment from my cynicism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s great to hear of new bottom up approaches like this. I have a question about roll out which links to Mtega&#8217;s point about the CLTS process building on feelings of shame. I can see how this kind of approach could work at a pilot level with well-trained *sensitive* facilitators. But what about when it is scaled up? How do communities react when a local govt health official comes along and shames them all? From my experience I can see how the whole approach might suffer from institutionalization &#8211; and the different relationship people tend to have with officialdom &#8211; but seek enlightenment from my cynicism.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 13:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder if this entire approach wasn&#039;t conceived while changing a diaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but wonder if this entire approach wasn&#8217;t conceived while changing a diaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 10:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mtega: excellent point. You are right that one of the key questions is what role CLTS (or other approaches) have in encouraging people to move further up the &#039;sanitation ladder&#039; - there is some positive evidence e.g. http://www.irc.nl/page/40591, and interestingly some of WaterAid&#039;s partners in Mali have started using CLTS to encourage this step from unimproved to improved latrines as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mtega: excellent point. You are right that one of the key questions is what role CLTS (or other approaches) have in encouraging people to move further up the &#8217;sanitation ladder&#8217; &#8211; there is some positive evidence e.g. <a href="http://www.irc.nl/page/40591" rel="nofollow">http://www.irc.nl/page/40591</a>, and interestingly some of WaterAid&#8217;s partners in Mali have started using CLTS to encourage this step from unimproved to improved latrines as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mtega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mtega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 09:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CLTS is indeed a remarkable approach, and one that has delivered some impressive results. But it is not a comprehensive and universally applicable approach, as many of its advocates (though thankfully not the author of this post) claim it to be.

I have seen CLTS in action in Bangladesh and Tanzania, and it can be just as Robert Chambers describes here - thrilling and inspiring. That was what I saw in Bangladesh. But in the wrong context it can be a waste of time and resources.

CLTS works by provoking a powerful sense of shame, first among communities that some of their members don&#039;t have or don&#039;t use latrines, and second in individuals who are defecating openly. People are essentially shamed into building simple latrines.

That works well when open defecation is common, as was the case where I saw CLTS at work in rural Bangladesh, as well as parts of rural Africa and in many urban slum settings.

But in most of Tanzania, the vast majority of households (typically over 95% in most areas) have their own pit latrine - the legacy of a very effective health promotion campaign 40 years ago. Where I saw CLTS mobilisers trying to provoke shame at open defecation in this setting, the only shame present was the community&#039;s embarrassment at the mobilisers&#039; lack of understanding of the local context.

Tanzania&#039;s challenge is to persuade people to upgrade from very basic latrines, which are often very ineffective barriers against the spread of disease, to something more lasting and effective. Nobody has yet found a way to do this.

CLTS is very effective at getting people in other countries away from open defecation to where Tanzania already is. But it has proved unable to take people a step higher, to persuade people to construct latrines that will prevent the spread of disease.

With some of CLTS&#039;s main advocates not willing to accept any criticisms of the approach, we need to guard against the danger of overlooking its weaknesses and assuming the sanitation problem is solved. Tanzania&#039;s experience shows that getting people away from open defecation, while important, is only a first step, and one that leaves people still at serious risk of diarrhoeal disease.

Finally, I should add that the possibility of CLTS contributing to putting the sanitation MDG back on track is very small. The MDG monitoring for sanitation rightly specifies &quot;improved sanitation&quot;. The full definition of an &quot;improved&quot; latrine is complicated, but for pit latrines it essentially boils down to whether the latrine has a washable slab - i.e. one made of ceramic, plastic or cement. 

In my experience the majority of latrines constructed as a result of the CLTS process don&#039;t have washable slabs and are therefore not classed as &quot;improved&quot;, since CLTS leaves households and communities to design their own latrines. 

This final point is not strictly a criticism of the CLTS approach, just a clarification that it&#039;s impact on the MDG for sanitation is likely to be very small.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CLTS is indeed a remarkable approach, and one that has delivered some impressive results. But it is not a comprehensive and universally applicable approach, as many of its advocates (though thankfully not the author of this post) claim it to be.</p>
<p>I have seen CLTS in action in Bangladesh and Tanzania, and it can be just as Robert Chambers describes here &#8211; thrilling and inspiring. That was what I saw in Bangladesh. But in the wrong context it can be a waste of time and resources.</p>
<p>CLTS works by provoking a powerful sense of shame, first among communities that some of their members don&#8217;t have or don&#8217;t use latrines, and second in individuals who are defecating openly. People are essentially shamed into building simple latrines.</p>
<p>That works well when open defecation is common, as was the case where I saw CLTS at work in rural Bangladesh, as well as parts of rural Africa and in many urban slum settings.</p>
<p>But in most of Tanzania, the vast majority of households (typically over 95% in most areas) have their own pit latrine &#8211; the legacy of a very effective health promotion campaign 40 years ago. Where I saw CLTS mobilisers trying to provoke shame at open defecation in this setting, the only shame present was the community&#8217;s embarrassment at the mobilisers&#8217; lack of understanding of the local context.</p>
<p>Tanzania&#8217;s challenge is to persuade people to upgrade from very basic latrines, which are often very ineffective barriers against the spread of disease, to something more lasting and effective. Nobody has yet found a way to do this.</p>
<p>CLTS is very effective at getting people in other countries away from open defecation to where Tanzania already is. But it has proved unable to take people a step higher, to persuade people to construct latrines that will prevent the spread of disease.</p>
<p>With some of CLTS&#8217;s main advocates not willing to accept any criticisms of the approach, we need to guard against the danger of overlooking its weaknesses and assuming the sanitation problem is solved. Tanzania&#8217;s experience shows that getting people away from open defecation, while important, is only a first step, and one that leaves people still at serious risk of diarrhoeal disease.</p>
<p>Finally, I should add that the possibility of CLTS contributing to putting the sanitation MDG back on track is very small. The MDG monitoring for sanitation rightly specifies &#8220;improved sanitation&#8221;. The full definition of an &#8220;improved&#8221; latrine is complicated, but for pit latrines it essentially boils down to whether the latrine has a washable slab &#8211; i.e. one made of ceramic, plastic or cement. </p>
<p>In my experience the majority of latrines constructed as a result of the CLTS process don&#8217;t have washable slabs and are therefore not classed as &#8220;improved&#8221;, since CLTS leaves households and communities to design their own latrines. </p>
<p>This final point is not strictly a criticism of the CLTS approach, just a clarification that it&#8217;s impact on the MDG for sanitation is likely to be very small.</p>
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