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		<title>By: Liz A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad to see this issue being discussed. I have long fought to see migration - and particularly detention in and deportation from the UK - put onto the development agenda but have hit obstacle after obstacle, and cries of &quot;this isn&#039;t a priority&quot;. I find this not only disappointing but also really quite short-sighted (and frankly a bit dim). I support asylum seekers and irregular migrants in detention centres awaiting deportation to countries that are direct development partners of the UK - Afghanistan and Iraq are two obvious examples. These guys are being returned, often to lands they left as children, as products of a British system. They are thrown into a society they often have no connection to, and little incentive to belong. They often wind up, at best, unemployed, in precarious living conditions and with little personal security. At worst, the end up being lured into  insurgent groups for lack of a better alternative. How is this NOT a development issue? It baffles me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad to see this issue being discussed. I have long fought to see migration &#8211; and particularly detention in and deportation from the UK &#8211; put onto the development agenda but have hit obstacle after obstacle, and cries of &#8220;this isn&#8217;t a priority&#8221;. I find this not only disappointing but also really quite short-sighted (and frankly a bit dim). I support asylum seekers and irregular migrants in detention centres awaiting deportation to countries that are direct development partners of the UK &#8211; Afghanistan and Iraq are two obvious examples. These guys are being returned, often to lands they left as children, as products of a British system. They are thrown into a society they often have no connection to, and little incentive to belong. They often wind up, at best, unemployed, in precarious living conditions and with little personal security. At worst, the end up being lured into  insurgent groups for lack of a better alternative. How is this NOT a development issue? It baffles me.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Barder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Owen Barder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Duncan, both for your contribution to the discussion at the CGD and IPPR lunchtime discussion, and for this excellent blog post.

I have followed up with a blog post on the CGD website:

http://blogs.cgdev.org/globaldevelopment/2012/07/is-migration-too-toxic-for-development.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Duncan, both for your contribution to the discussion at the CGD and IPPR lunchtime discussion, and for this excellent blog post.</p>
<p>I have followed up with a blog post on the CGD website:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.cgdev.org/globaldevelopment/2012/07/is-migration-too-toxic-for-development.php" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.cgdev.org/globaldevelopment/2012/07/is-migration-too-toxic-for-development.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Priya Deshingkar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Deshingkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 09:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did try to post to this discussion yesterday but it has not appeared so am sending one again today..

Thanks Duncan for raising this important issue.  I am happy to see that a few posts refer to internal migration, which tends to involve poorer people.  Policy positions on internal migration, especially rural-urban migration are negative across diverse countries and continents. According to UN sources, an astonishing 67% of governments had policies to control or limit rural-urban migration in 2009.  Underlying these policy positions are romantic visions of sedentary peasants and elitism (referred to by others above) but also notions of exploitation of labour where migrants are seen as moving from one exploitative situation to another.  Expanding slums have added to negative perceptions as these are viewed as nothing more than breeding grounds for crime and disease.  But recent evidence shows that there is much more going on below the radar; poor migrants are engaged in a number of economic activities that can set them and their families in the village, on a route out of poverty.  Internal remittances from such migrants are significant and not many people realise that the sum total of internal remittances can exceed international remittances in large countries with high levels of internal mobility.  The potential of internal migration to reduce poverty is being researched in five global regions by the DFID-funded Migrating out of Poverty RPC at the University of Sussex.  Please visit our website for more information migratingoutofpoverty.dfid.gov.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did try to post to this discussion yesterday but it has not appeared so am sending one again today..</p>
<p>Thanks Duncan for raising this important issue.  I am happy to see that a few posts refer to internal migration, which tends to involve poorer people.  Policy positions on internal migration, especially rural-urban migration are negative across diverse countries and continents. According to UN sources, an astonishing 67% of governments had policies to control or limit rural-urban migration in 2009.  Underlying these policy positions are romantic visions of sedentary peasants and elitism (referred to by others above) but also notions of exploitation of labour where migrants are seen as moving from one exploitative situation to another.  Expanding slums have added to negative perceptions as these are viewed as nothing more than breeding grounds for crime and disease.  But recent evidence shows that there is much more going on below the radar; poor migrants are engaged in a number of economic activities that can set them and their families in the village, on a route out of poverty.  Internal remittances from such migrants are significant and not many people realise that the sum total of internal remittances can exceed international remittances in large countries with high levels of internal mobility.  The potential of internal migration to reduce poverty is being researched in five global regions by the DFID-funded Migrating out of Poverty RPC at the University of Sussex.  Please visit our website for more information migratingoutofpoverty.dfid.gov.uk</p>
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		<title>By: gawain kripke</title>
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		<dc:creator>gawain kripke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 20:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Duncan,

Thanks for this post.  I&#039;m one of the few, secretive advocates of taking on migration as a major development/poverty issue.  There do seem to be a lot of obstacles; political, psychological, emotional. 

It&#039;s ironic that a form of economic theory underlies a lot of the resistance to immigration (especially among progressives):  constraining supply of labor should raise the price (wages).  

That makes all kinds of sense, although the evidence doesn&#039;t prove it out.  And, more importantly, making the counter argument is more complicated.

We recently hosted Branko Milanovic to talk about inequality.  His presentation showed that despite the increased attention to growing intra-national inequality, international inequality is bigger by far.  

His policy solution?  Open borders and let people reduce global inequality through migration.  

I almost choked and thought - &quot;well, that&#039;s a pretty stupid thing to say.  Maybe he should think of something that has some political viability.&quot;

But of course, he&#039;s right, even if it&#039;s a long way to go.  

So - we all have to find ways to thaw out discussion of migration - as a development issue, as a justice issue, and in the interest of global prosperity - including our own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Duncan,</p>
<p>Thanks for this post.  I&#8217;m one of the few, secretive advocates of taking on migration as a major development/poverty issue.  There do seem to be a lot of obstacles; political, psychological, emotional. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s ironic that a form of economic theory underlies a lot of the resistance to immigration (especially among progressives):  constraining supply of labor should raise the price (wages).  </p>
<p>That makes all kinds of sense, although the evidence doesn&#8217;t prove it out.  And, more importantly, making the counter argument is more complicated.</p>
<p>We recently hosted Branko Milanovic to talk about inequality.  His presentation showed that despite the increased attention to growing intra-national inequality, international inequality is bigger by far.  </p>
<p>His policy solution?  Open borders and let people reduce global inequality through migration.  </p>
<p>I almost choked and thought &#8211; &#8220;well, that&#8217;s a pretty stupid thing to say.  Maybe he should think of something that has some political viability.&#8221;</p>
<p>But of course, he&#8217;s right, even if it&#8217;s a long way to go.  </p>
<p>So &#8211; we all have to find ways to thaw out discussion of migration &#8211; as a development issue, as a justice issue, and in the interest of global prosperity &#8211; including our own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 13:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very thought-provoking piece. Here at the International Migration Institute (based in the Oxford Department of International Development), we have done a lot of thinking about the relationship between migration and development. In 2009 our Co-Director Oliver Bakewell took a look at why development agencies might remain ambivalent about whether and how they should bring migration into their work (see his article published in Third World Quarterly:  http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01436590802386492 ). Oliver concluded, as Duncan has suggested in this post, that NGOs&#039; reluctance to engage with migration is by and large a result of the sedentary nature of their concept of ‘development’. There seems to be some double-think going on here; as Oliver points out, the  apparent assumption is that ‘mobility is normal for the wealthy, international elite, but a symptom of failure among the poor’. If we can agree that development interventions mustn’t assume that people want to stay in one place, we then need to move on to look at the relationship between migration and broader social transformaitons. The underlying challenge for development agencies is to agree on the nature of the ‘good’ to be achieved in the much-trumpeted ‘win-win-win’ situation where migration works for origin countries, destination countries, and the migrants themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very thought-provoking piece. Here at the International Migration Institute (based in the Oxford Department of International Development), we have done a lot of thinking about the relationship between migration and development. In 2009 our Co-Director Oliver Bakewell took a look at why development agencies might remain ambivalent about whether and how they should bring migration into their work (see his article published in Third World Quarterly:  <a href="http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01436590802386492" rel="nofollow">http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/01436590802386492</a> ). Oliver concluded, as Duncan has suggested in this post, that NGOs&#8217; reluctance to engage with migration is by and large a result of the sedentary nature of their concept of ‘development’. There seems to be some double-think going on here; as Oliver points out, the  apparent assumption is that ‘mobility is normal for the wealthy, international elite, but a symptom of failure among the poor’. If we can agree that development interventions mustn’t assume that people want to stay in one place, we then need to move on to look at the relationship between migration and broader social transformaitons. The underlying challenge for development agencies is to agree on the nature of the ‘good’ to be achieved in the much-trumpeted ‘win-win-win’ situation where migration works for origin countries, destination countries, and the migrants themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Reclaim Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reclaim Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noone is Illegal (www.noii.org.uk) are one of the few organisations with the intelligence to recognise that it is a duty of the human race to rid the planet of these scourges of injustice, oppressiona and inequality.

Duncan, your use of pictures also problematises the issue of migration. As a teacher, my biggest problem dealing with the teaching of migration is (as you rightly say) that it is almost exclusively framed as a problem and millions of &#039;illegals&#039; are shamefully demonised. Page 14 of the same Oxfam Education magazine I mentioned in a previous discussion features a relevent migration focussed event I organised at a school:
 http://www.oxfam.org.uk/education/teachersupport/the_big_picture/files/big_picture_summer_2011.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noone is Illegal (www.noii.org.uk) are one of the few organisations with the intelligence to recognise that it is a duty of the human race to rid the planet of these scourges of injustice, oppressiona and inequality.</p>
<p>Duncan, your use of pictures also problematises the issue of migration. As a teacher, my biggest problem dealing with the teaching of migration is (as you rightly say) that it is almost exclusively framed as a problem and millions of &#8216;illegals&#8217; are shamefully demonised. Page 14 of the same Oxfam Education magazine I mentioned in a previous discussion features a relevent migration focussed event I organised at a school:<br />
 <a href="http://www.oxfam.org.uk/education/teachersupport/the_big_picture/files/big_picture_summer_2011.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.oxfam.org.uk/education/teachersupport/the_big_picture/files/big_picture_summer_2011.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Page</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Page</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Like Duncan I was at the IPPR/CGD seminar and was also impressed by the clarity and force of Michael Clemens argument. His primary concern though was shifting migration policies in the Global North, so its really good to put the emphasis more squarely onto development here. 

Three other thoughts to add to your list of reasons why migration and development don&#039;t seem to mix so well:
1. Infrastructure is so often central to many development interventions, yet is fixed in space - and for those trying to plan future infrastructure migration is a pain because people (unlike water pipes, schools, hospitals) are mobile, which connects to a second issue...
2. The persistant assumption that rapid urbanization is a &#039;development problem&#039; and that that process is driven by rural-urban migration. Plenty of evidence that neither assumption is true, but nevertheless they are widely held ideas. The consequence is a view that rural-to-urban migration is an obstacle to development.
3. Diasporas might represent competition for development professionals. Though many diaspora interventions in the name of development might appear &#039;amateurish&#039; to development professionals, (lacking standardized procedures for evaluation, duplicating existing work, not reflecting needs, prey to local political intrigues...) nevertheless they have an authority and credibility locally that some external interventions may lack. There is the potential for forms of local participation based on a level of understanding born of &#039;membership&#039; within a community by those seeking to develop it from the diaspora. In addition vocal and articulate critics of current development practice in the diaspora might make things uncompfortable for development NGOs. Is it just possible that development professionals are lary of migration because they see it as a challenge to their own position and interests? Of course, it doesn&#039;t need to be an antagonistic relationship as successful examples of diaspora engagement can show, but they are few in number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Like Duncan I was at the IPPR/CGD seminar and was also impressed by the clarity and force of Michael Clemens argument. His primary concern though was shifting migration policies in the Global North, so its really good to put the emphasis more squarely onto development here. </p>
<p>Three other thoughts to add to your list of reasons why migration and development don&#8217;t seem to mix so well:<br />
1. Infrastructure is so often central to many development interventions, yet is fixed in space &#8211; and for those trying to plan future infrastructure migration is a pain because people (unlike water pipes, schools, hospitals) are mobile, which connects to a second issue&#8230;<br />
2. The persistant assumption that rapid urbanization is a &#8216;development problem&#8217; and that that process is driven by rural-urban migration. Plenty of evidence that neither assumption is true, but nevertheless they are widely held ideas. The consequence is a view that rural-to-urban migration is an obstacle to development.<br />
3. Diasporas might represent competition for development professionals. Though many diaspora interventions in the name of development might appear &#8216;amateurish&#8217; to development professionals, (lacking standardized procedures for evaluation, duplicating existing work, not reflecting needs, prey to local political intrigues&#8230;) nevertheless they have an authority and credibility locally that some external interventions may lack. There is the potential for forms of local participation based on a level of understanding born of &#8216;membership&#8217; within a community by those seeking to develop it from the diaspora. In addition vocal and articulate critics of current development practice in the diaspora might make things uncompfortable for development NGOs. Is it just possible that development professionals are lary of migration because they see it as a challenge to their own position and interests? Of course, it doesn&#8217;t need to be an antagonistic relationship as successful examples of diaspora engagement can show, but they are few in number.</p>
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		<title>By: Reclaim Education</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reclaim Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very interesting post, but I have to take issue with one sentence:

&quot;he was making the economic case against borders of any kind. Sometimes ’seeing like an economist’ can be mind-blowing.&quot;

Why is it mind blowing to conceive of a world without borders? My mind is blown on a daily basis that we willingly accept (and teach to our kids) that political and economic borders are natural, immutable, equitable and just.

Please reader ask yourself - in the world which you would like to see exist, which would be mind blowing (ie out of place): 

a)borders?
b)no borders?

If your answer is a - how are you working towards this?
If your answer is b - get off my planet, you are not welcome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting post, but I have to take issue with one sentence:</p>
<p>&#8220;he was making the economic case against borders of any kind. Sometimes ’seeing like an economist’ can be mind-blowing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why is it mind blowing to conceive of a world without borders? My mind is blown on a daily basis that we willingly accept (and teach to our kids) that political and economic borders are natural, immutable, equitable and just.</p>
<p>Please reader ask yourself &#8211; in the world which you would like to see exist, which would be mind blowing (ie out of place): </p>
<p>a)borders?<br />
b)no borders?</p>
<p>If your answer is a &#8211; how are you working towards this?<br />
If your answer is b &#8211; get off my planet, you are not welcome!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 08:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic question on today&#039;s World Population Day, particularly for poorer countries that restrict internal migration movement and are xenophobia about rural-urban migration from areas of high pop. pressure on resources. Here in Ethiopia, WPD was celebrated with a National Seminar and the launching of our (Teller and Assefa) new book on the Demographic Transition and Dev&#039;t in Africa: The Unique Case of Ethiopia (Springer, 2011). The evidence in our book is that the current National Population Policy to restrict rural-urban migration should be changed, as the youth bulge must move around to search for better opportunities. This should be part of the Poverty Reduction and Growth and Transformation (GTP) Policy. The potential demographic dividend from the youth bulge will become a burden if migration continues to be restricted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic question on today&#8217;s World Population Day, particularly for poorer countries that restrict internal migration movement and are xenophobia about rural-urban migration from areas of high pop. pressure on resources. Here in Ethiopia, WPD was celebrated with a National Seminar and the launching of our (Teller and Assefa) new book on the Demographic Transition and Dev&#8217;t in Africa: The Unique Case of Ethiopia (Springer, 2011). The evidence in our book is that the current National Population Policy to restrict rural-urban migration should be changed, as the youth bulge must move around to search for better opportunities. This should be part of the Poverty Reduction and Growth and Transformation (GTP) Policy. The potential demographic dividend from the youth bulge will become a burden if migration continues to be restricted.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2012 07:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The 2009 UNDP Human Development report addressed migration - it was launched in Thailand, a country that both receives and sends out migrants. But you are right - not much comes of it. Much of the bad press that migration gets is a result of laws that seek to stop immigration or prejudice against migrants - e.g. family separation and abandomment of children; dangerous work practices. The laws seek to address the perceived &#039;problems&#039; rather than seek to enhance the clear benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2009 UNDP Human Development report addressed migration &#8211; it was launched in Thailand, a country that both receives and sends out migrants. But you are right &#8211; not much comes of it. Much of the bad press that migration gets is a result of laws that seek to stop immigration or prejudice against migrants &#8211; e.g. family separation and abandomment of children; dangerous work practices. The laws seek to address the perceived &#8216;problems&#8217; rather than seek to enhance the clear benefits.</p>
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